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captain_thunderpants

10-01-2007, 04:30 PM

Man, I wanted to go to the Portland show so bad, but I had no time to ask for that day off of work when I found out about it. I've been getting too absent-minded for my own good, cos that wasn't the first or last time something like that happened. Like Edguy last Friday... couldn't find a damn soul to cover my shift for that. Was even gonna get in free, too. But I'm getting OT, now. I still haven't heard Megadeth's latest album, but I heard it was pretty sick.

CFH

10-01-2007, 05:01 PM

Does anyone else think that Megadeth's set on this tour has been somewhat of a letdown? Only 17 songs, 2 from Peace Sells, 1 from So Far, So Good, So What, nothing from Killing Is My Business and basically the same old shit from Rust in Peace? Sure "Holy Wars" is one of the band's very best songs and "Hangar 18" deserves its spot, but it would be nice if "Five Magics" and "Poison was the Cure" were played instead. Sure "Take No Prisoners" was a nice surprise, but it was the only song in the set that could be considered such a thing. I'm really hoping that before Dave decides to retire that Megadeth will put together a set along the lines of this one:

"Skull Beneath the Skin"
"The Conjuring"
"Poison was the Cure"
"502"
"Architecture of Aggression"
"Blackmail the Universe"
"Good Mourning/Black Friday"
"Looking Down the Cross"
"Five Magics"
"Devil's Island"
"Mary Jane"
"Black Curtains"
"Vortex"
"Killing Is My Business"
"Set the World Afire"
"My Last Words"
"Blessed are the Dead"
"Mechanix"
"Wake Up Dead"
"Hook In Mouth"
"Last Rites/Loved to Death"

Bradzilla

10-01-2007, 08:31 PM

Mark Carras

10-01-2007, 09:08 PM

That would be a pretty awesome setlist. Problem is though that Megadeth is at the point where they've got enough concert standards that they're gonna do every time that there's only room for 1 or 2 surprises.

Yeah, a set list like that might please a small few hardcore fans, but overall it would be a bad career move. A band at Megadeth's level needs to rock the hits for the most part.

tbhride

10-01-2007, 09:59 PM

Well I was at the show in DC last night and the setlist was pretty effin great if you ask me. 4 songs of RIP (Take No Prisoners, Hanger 18, Tornado of Souls, and Holy Wars :D ).

The only picks I didn't care for were Reckoning Day (never have been a huge fan of that song) and Washington is Next (although Dave retitled the song "Washington is right fucking now!" seeing as the show was in DC). I like the United Abominations album for the most part but that particular song doesn't do much for me.

Sleepwalker
Take No Prisoners
Wake Up Dead
Skin O My Teeth
Gears of War
She Wolf
In My Darkest Hour
Hangar 18
Washington is Next
Kick the Chair
A Tout Le Monde
Tornado of Souls
Never Walk Alone
Ashes In Your Mouth
Reckoning Day
Peace Sells

encore---
Symphony of Destruction
Holy Wars

They added some shit to the end of Symphony of Destruction which was pretty cool!

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/9550/img2250ds0.jpg

Mark Carras

10-01-2007, 10:15 PM

The only picks I didn't care for were Reckoning Day (never have been a huge fan of that song) and Washington is Next (although Dave retitled the song "Washington is right fucking now!" seeing as the show was in DC). I like the United Abominations album for the most part but that particular song doesn't do much for me.

I feel the same way about Gears of War. It has to be the lamest chorus in Megadeth history. Like he had dollar signs (and a merchandising deal) in his eyes when he wrote it or something.

tbhride

10-01-2007, 11:08 PM

Heh - to me Gears of War sounds great :rotfl

Mark Carras

10-02-2007, 12:21 AM

Heh - to me Gears of War sounds great :rotfl

It doesn't bug you that he just says the name of the song over and over again? I have just grown to expect so much more from a Megadeth chorus I guess? :shrug

Evil Red

10-02-2007, 04:26 AM

I had a mad fucking blast when they came to town! ~'Nuff said.

CFH

10-02-2007, 10:47 AM

Problem is though that Megadeth is at the point where they've got enough concert standards that they're gonna do every time that there's only room for 1 or 2 surprises.

True, but so many of those standards should have been retired years ago, specifically:

"A Tout Le Monde" (Unless they can get Christina Scabbia to go on tour with them.)
"Symphony of Destruction"
"Skin O' My Teeth"
"Reckoning Day"
"She-Wolf"
"Tornado of Souls"
And as much as I hate to say it because they're amazing songs, "Holy Wars," "Hangar 18," "In My Darkest Hour" and "Peace Sells."

If they ever are retired, space for ten much better and much more exciting songs will be made.

tbhride

10-02-2007, 12:57 PM

It doesn't bug you that he just says the name of the song over and over again? I have just grown to expect so much more from a Megadeth chorus I guess? :shrug

Its something different for your earhole :P

SLASHer

10-02-2007, 01:35 PM

True, but so many of those standards should have been retired years ago, specifically:

"A Tout Le Monde" (Unless they can get Christina Scabbia to go on tour with them.)
"Symphony of Destruction"
"Skin O' My Teeth"
"Reckoning Day"
"She-Wolf"
"Tornado of Souls"
And as much as I hate to say it because they're amazing songs, "Holy Wars," "Hangar 18," "In My Darkest Hour" and "Peace Sells."

If they ever are retired, space for ten much better and much more exciting songs will be made.

I would be pissed if they didn't play Symphony of Destruction, I love that song.

CFH

10-02-2007, 02:37 PM

I would be pissed if they didn't play Symphony of Destruction, I love that song.

It's good and all, but they've only played it 23,492 times during the past 15 years, and so many better songs can be put in its place.

CFH

10-02-2007, 08:25 PM

a set list like that might please a small few hardcore fans, but overall it would be a bad career move. A band at Megadeth's level needs to rock the hits for the most part.

Perhaps, but Megadeth became a platinum-selling band thanks to the material from KIMB through Rust in Peace. Of course their peak in regards to sales was CTE, but it was the approach "let's see how many hits we can write" that led to the mass disappearance of many of their hardcore fans, who still made up a majority of the audience until Risk. Therefore, using a setlist that features mostly material from the 80's just may be the best career move imaginable for Megadeth.

Xir0n

10-05-2007, 01:37 AM

Perhaps, but Megadeth became a platinum-selling band thanks to the material from KIMB through Rust in Peace. Of course their peak in regards to sales was CTE, but it was the approach "let's see how many hits we can write" that led to the mass disappearance of many of their hardcore fans, who still made up a majority of the audience until Risk. Therefore, using a setlist that features mostly material from the 80's just may be the best career move imaginable for Megadeth.
I will have to disagree. Musicians have to play the songs that will please the audience in general as opposed to what will please the real fans. It's like when I saw Styx and they replaced Mr. Roboto with Grand Illusion. I was pleased, my friends were not. (1-4 vote)

CFH

10-05-2007, 03:09 PM

Musicians have to play the songs that will please the audience in general as opposed to what will please the real fans.

If you're a real Megadeth fan, you should know that Dave Mustaine is at his best, and has more fans behind him than ever, when he thinks "this is what I have to play? Fuck that, I'm going to play this." That attitude is what made Megadeth's first three albums as amazing as they are, and if Dave ever gets back into that mindset, Megadeth just may be become the best metal band there is once again.

Bradzilla

10-05-2007, 07:16 PM

I have to agree with Xiron on this one. While playing those old songs is especially exciting for the diehard fans, for Megadeth to continue they have to stick mostly with the hits. Sucks, but it has to be done.

tbhride

10-06-2007, 10:47 PM

The job of any band is to deliver the best show possible to ALL of the fans at any given show (not just those fans that you deem valid). If the band stuck with songs that only their die hard fans would enjoy that just bad decision making.

Given the statement I made in the first sentance, I maintain that they played an great setlist.

CFH

10-07-2007, 03:33 PM

No offence to anyone here, but do any of you guys remember what songs and albums the Megadeth empire was built upon?

With that, at least half of the fans who made up the peak audience circa the Countdown era left when Dave began focusing on hits, which means that if he were to include more songs that helped "build the empire" so to speak, most, if not all of them would come back. As a result, Megadeth could potentially have a shot at becoming a platinum-selling band once again, as opposed to a 100,000-selling band so I fail to see how this would be a bad career move.

tbhride

10-07-2007, 04:34 PM

I think you underestimate the number of fans of the other albums.

CFH

10-07-2007, 04:57 PM

I think you underestimate the number of fans of the other albums.

Do I? I know that Countdown was the biggest seller (2 million plus), and most likely half of that audience consisted of people who became fans because of "Symphony of Destruction," "Foreclosure of a Dream" and "Sweating Bullets." With that, it's basically safe to say that the other million purchasers of Countdown were there from the beginning. Then there's Youthanasia, which sold over a million copies, and the audience who picked it up was probably split approximately down the middle by initial fans and those who were new fans at the time. Then there was Cryptic Writings, which is probably the only Megadeth album that more "fans of the hits" bought than any other, but a decent amount of the core fans still remained. Once Risk was released, however, nearly all of the initial fanbase, which was undeniably over a million circa Rust In Peace jumped ship, and most of them have yet to come back on board. That is without a doubt a major reason why album sales have basically plummeted. Sure 100,000 plus isn't bad or anything, but Megadeth routinely sold in the platinum range until the core fanbase more or less disappeared. With that, I understand that plenty of Megadeth's fans are fans of the 90's albums/"the hits," but it's also undeniable that the band once had an amount of core fans that was nearly equal to the number of fans who joined the fold in the 90's, and they can get those fans back with better set lists.

SLASHer

10-07-2007, 06:43 PM

If I ever see them I really hope they play Set the World Afire. Thats my favorite by them.

tbhride

10-07-2007, 08:59 PM

Well over half the setlist was countdown or prior. Only 3 songs from youth-twnah, and then 5 since reforming the group which is what they are promoting and many fans of all the eras seem to be enjoying those for the most part.

Like I said, I think with the goal of providing the best show for as many people as they can, I think they picked a solid set list.

CFH

10-08-2007, 10:55 AM

Like I said, I think with the goal of providing the best show for as many people as they can, I think they picked a solid set list.

It is indeed solid. In fact, I enjoyed seeing those songs performed very much last month. With that, all I have really been trying to get at in this thread is that their set list has been rather stale for the past decade.

Xir0n

10-10-2007, 02:36 AM

Do I? I know that Countdown was the biggest seller (2 million plus), and most likely half of that audience consisted of people who became fans because of "Symphony of Destruction," "Foreclosure of a Dream" and "Sweating Bullets." With that, it's basically safe to say that the other million purchasers of Countdown were there from the beginning. Then there's Youthanasia, which sold over a million copies, and the audience who picked it up was probably split approximately down the middle by initial fans and those who were new fans at the time. Then there was Cryptic Writings, which is probably the only Megadeth album that more "fans of the hits" bought than any other, but a decent amount of the core fans still remained. Once Risk was released, however, nearly all of the initial fanbase, which was undeniably over a million circa Rust In Peace jumped ship, and most of them have yet to come back on board. That is without a doubt a major reason why album sales have basically plummeted. Sure 100,000 plus isn't bad or anything, but Megadeth routinely sold in the platinum range until the core fanbase more or less disappeared. With that, I understand that plenty of Megadeth's fans are fans of the 90's albums/"the hits," but it's also undeniable that the band once had an amount of core fans that was nearly equal to the number of fans who joined the fold in the 90's, and they can get those fans back with better set lists.
Your math is skewed quite a bit. Record sales didn't drop because of the lack of old fans, they dropped because of a lack of interest in metal by the general public.

Sorry. I just figured I'd point that out. And now, to not be a douche bag that's teaming up on you, I will agree that it has essentially been the same set list for quite a while. They throw in some good songs from time to time (last Gigantour they played The Conjuring), but it's essentially the same thing over and over again.

Mark Carras

10-10-2007, 03:05 AM

Yeah, but how pissed do you think fans would be if they didn't play the one song they expect them to play? Now what I think is a grand idea is if they had three set lists and rotated them around for every city. So like for my area there would be one set for eastern Washington, one set for western Washingotn, and one set for Portland. Have not one song repeated for those three cities. Then make a huge deal out of making the set lists public way before the shows.

Then you would get fans that go to three shows in a row because they know it is a different set list every night. Then you also make the hardcore fans happy because they would get those rare songs, but the casual fans would (for the most part) be happy because they would know what city to go to to hear their favorite Mega-Tune.

Other then that there would have to be some special "collection" released of "Unsung Heroes" or something. Then when they tour to promote that it would be expected that they play those songs.

Either way it would be tricky for any band that has been around as long as Megadeth to not "rock the hits" without pissing off a ton of people.

CFH

10-10-2007, 10:46 AM

Your math is skewed quite a bit. Record sales didn't drop because of the lack of old fans, they dropped because of a lack of interest in metal by the general public.

Sorry. I just figured I'd point that out. And now, to not be a douche bag that's teaming up on you, I will agree that it has essentially been the same set list for quite a while. They throw in some good songs from time to time (last Gigantour they played The Conjuring), but it's essentially the same thing over and over again.

Perhaps you're right that "my math is skewed a bit," and you're most certainly right that the general public had zero interest in metal at the very end of the 90's and the very beginning of this decade. However, it's undeniable that somewhere around 90 percent of the one million fans who purchased Peace Sells and Rust in Peace stopped buying Megadeth's albums after Cryptic Writings, the band's last platinum-seller, as noted by the 100,000-plus sellers The System Has Failed and United Abominations. ;)

As for the "teaming up on me issue," I know that you weren't, and that you were merely stating an opinion. With that, I also want to let you know that I didn't deem you an "invalid fan of Megadeth" when I said "any real Megadeth fan knows that their empire was built by their 80's output" awhile back in this thread in case you did.

Last but not least, I had no idea that they played "The Conjuring" during last year's Gigantour. Why? Because Dave Mustaine said in some interview or another during 2004 that "I will never play 'Looking Down the Cross,' 'Skull Beneath the Skin,' 'Good Mourning/Black Friday' or 'The Conjuring' again because I just can't identify with the lyrics to them anymore" or something along those lines. I'm pretty sure that he mentioned at least two more songs in this regard, and of course he said this because of his current religious beliefs. However, if he played "The Conjuring" in 2006, then it's quite possible that he's become a bit more open-minded about this subject, which is a very good sign. :monkey

CFH

10-10-2007, 10:52 AM

Yeah, but how pissed do you think fans would be if they didn't play the one song they expect them to play? Now what I think is a grand idea is if they had three set lists and rotated them around for every city. So like for my area there would be one set for eastern Washington, one set for western Washingotn, and one set for Portland. Have not one song repeated for those three cities. Then make a huge deal out of making the set lists public way before the shows.

Then you would get fans that go to three shows in a row because they know it is a different set list every night. Then you also make the hardcore fans happy because they would get those rare songs, but the casual fans would (for the most part) be happy because they would know what city to go to to hear their favorite Mega-Tune.

Other then that there would have to be some special "collection" released of "Unsung Heroes" or something. Then when they tour to promote that it would be expected that they play those songs.

You know what? This is a damn good idea, and if you or I somehow get an opportunity to interview Dave Mustaine in the somewhat near future, this idea absolutely needs to be the basis for one of the questions.

Rivethead

10-10-2007, 11:10 AM

CFH

10-10-2007, 11:12 AM

IMO the setlist is beyond stale. I won't even go see Megadeth anymore on my own, mainly because I can't stand hearing the same old shit. I'll take my wife sometime, she's never seen them, but as far as I'm concerned, I'll pass

Long time, no see. How's it going?

Anyway, I've probably asked you this before, but did you get to see Megadeth during the 80's?

Rivethead

10-10-2007, 01:03 PM

Where have I been? Where have you been? I've been down to your fair city a few times the last couple of months...

I saw the SFSGSW tour, with Sanctuary opening.

SLASHer

10-10-2007, 03:59 PM

Perhaps you're right that "my math is skewed a bit," and you're most certainly right that the general public had zero interest in metal at the very end of the 90's and the very beginning of this decade. However, it's undeniable that somewhere around 90 percent of the one million fans who purchased Peace Sells and Rust in Peace stopped buying Megadeth's albums after Cryptic Writings, the band's last platinum-seller, as noted by the 100,000-plus sellers The System Has Failed and United Abominations. ;)

Lets not forget about Nu-Metal. That was really popular in the late 90's, that is if you call Nu-Metal actually metal.

Also, record sales in general have dropped immensely since the Peace Sells and Rust in Peace days. There mid-late 90's albums didn't sell as much because that style wasn't as popular, they album sucked and the fucking internet has put huge dents in record sales. The 1980's was a golden age for heavy metal album sales. Only in the late 80's could a an 8-minute thrasher about a soldier getting his limbs blow off by a landmine be a top-40 hit.

tbhride

10-10-2007, 04:06 PM

That boys and girls is what we call fuzzy math :D

CFH

10-10-2007, 04:19 PM

That boys and girls is what we call fuzzy math

How is that?

Peace Sells and Rust in Peace reached platinum status in the 80's, and were bought exclusively by the band's initial fan base.

Cryptic Writings is Megadeth's last platinum-seller at this point in time.

A huge percentage of Megadeth's fan base, especially the "hardcore fans," jumped ship because of Risk, nu "metal" and a general lack of interest in metal at the end of the 90's and the beginning of this decade.

The System Has Failed and United Abominations have only sold 100,000-plus copies a piece, or maybe 200,000 a piece.

1,000,000 - 100,000 = 900,000

900,000/1,000,000 = .9 or 90%

Therefore, 90% of the hardcore fans have yet to come back on board the "Megadeth ship" even though TSHF and UA are kick-ass albums.

In conclusion, how is any of that "fuzzy math?"

This ought to be good.

CFH

10-10-2007, 04:24 PM

Where have I been? Where have you been? I've been down to your fair city a few times the last couple of months...

Damn, where, the Samurai Duck? I was actually there last Saturday, and I saw The Funeral Pyre, Apiary and Soul Scythe. In fact, I'm writing a review of this show, which I'll probably submit to Mark tonight.

As for the Megadeth show you saw, I bet it was fucking amazing since it took place during the SFSGSW tour!

Xir0n

10-10-2007, 05:17 PM

How is that?

Peace Sells and Rust in Peace reached platinum status in the 80's, and were bought exclusively by the band's initial fan base.

Cryptic Writings is Megadeth's last platinum-seller at this point in time.

A huge percentage of Megadeth's fan base, especially the "hardcore fans," jumped ship because of Risk, nu "metal" and a general lack of interest in metal at the end of the 90's and the beginning of this decade.

The System Has Failed and United Abominations have only sold 100,000-plus copies a piece, or maybe 200,000 a piece.

1,000,000 - 100,000 = 900,000

900,000/1,000,000 = .9 or 90%

Therefore, 90% of the hardcore fans have yet to come back on board the "Megadeth ship" even though TSHF and UA are kick-ass albums.

In conclusion, how is any of that "fuzzy math?"

This ought to be good.
I'll field this one!

You have to take into effect a dramatic drop in record sales and circumstantial situations which would decrease record sales. Overall, metal CD sales have just dropped, not just fans of Megadeth. There's also been a general loss of record sales across the whole planet. Nothing sells as good as it used to. To go platinum now adays is becoming more and more impossible. I also happen to know that of all of the Megadeth fans I know who were fans from the beginning, only three of them (of about ten) have stopped buying the newer albums. Statistically, there is too much static to analyze the full situation and to do so properly it would require a large amount of statistics not only for the mean record sales over the past two decades but also the average number of metal (real metal) record sales in the same two decades.

Without that, this is "fuzzy math".

CFH

10-10-2007, 05:40 PM

I'll field this one!

You have to take into effect a dramatic drop in record sales and circumstantial situations which would decrease record sales. Overall, metal CD sales have just dropped, not just fans of Megadeth. There's also been a general loss of record sales across the whole planet. Nothing sells as good as it used to. To go platinum now adays is becoming more and more impossible. I also happen to know that of all of the Megadeth fans I know who were fans from the beginning, only three of them (of about ten) have stopped buying the newer albums. Statistically, there is too much static to analyze the full situation and to do so properly it would require a large amount of statistics not only for the mean record sales over the past two decades but also the average number of metal (real metal) record sales in the same two decades.

Without that, this is "fuzzy math".

Fair enough.

Xir0n

10-10-2007, 09:50 PM

I knew I'd get to use my statistics class one day...

Rivethead

10-11-2007, 10:46 AM

Damn, where, the Samurai Duck? I was actually there last Saturday, and I saw The Funeral Pyre, Apiary and Soul Scythe. In fact, I'm writing a review of this show, which I'll probably submit to Mark tonight.

As for the Megadeth show you saw, I bet it was fucking amazing since it took place during the SFSGSW tour!

Yes, my promo/booking company is working with the Duck on a regular basis now, so I'll be down there once or twice a month. Next show is Nov. 2nd w/Severein.

Yes, that show was amazing. I'll never forget the set that Sactuary threw down. Heavy as hell.

tbhride

10-11-2007, 11:10 AM